Why I Don’t Think We’ll See An iPhone 5 Release At The WWDC
Posted by CharlesMoore on Monday Apr 30, 2012 Under iPhone 5 OpinionI’m on record as skeptical that we’ll see a June iPhone 5 release, and now that Apple has set the dates for the World Wide Developers Conference 2012, I’m not any closer to being convinced differently. Of course, I could be totally mistaken in my assessment, but I don’t think I am.
First, what motivation does Apple have to hustle a new iPhone model out the door? Precious little, if their just released second fiscal quarter financial results are anything to go by. iPhone sales in Q2 were up a whopping 88 percent year-over-year, and According to NetMarketshare’s Hitslink metrics for March, 2012, the iOS continues to enjoy 59.87% of the Mobile/Tablet operating system market. Why would they be in any hurry to mess with success metrics like that?
At the WWDC, to be held this year from June 11 through June 15 at San Francisco’s Moscone West, Apple says developers in attendance will lear lots of stuff about the future of iOS and OS X, but the publicized agenda doesn’t make even the slightest hint of an iPhone release, or for that matter an sort of hardware release at the conference. Again, that doesn’t mean for sure that there won’t be one, but I’m thinking the likelihood is remote.
An argument cited by June release proponents is that it would get Apple back on track with its tradition of annual iPhone model releases at the WWDC, but I don’t find that reasoning compelling. First, I’m not sure that a four-year streak qualifies as a “tradition” in any case, but Apple seems less and less inclined to adhere to such traditions as exist in its marketing. Annual model changes do have a certain objective logic, but the iPhone 4S won’t have a year on the market logged until October, and my expectation would be for Apple’s inclination to be toward stretching rather than compressing the model- release interval.
A fall release also makes more marketing sense than at the beginning of summer, when students are finishing up the school year and everyone in the Northern Hemisphere’s seasonal climates is focused more on outdoor activities. Late summer (September) or fall has students back in classes and the run-up to Christmas approaching. September has been Apple’s traditional (that word again) iPod new model intro. time slot, but with the iPod’s star on the wane while the iPhone’s and iPod’s continue to ascend, it seems like poor strategy to continue dedicating that promo calendar slot to a slower-selling product line.
A consensus also seems to be gelling among the Apple-watching commentariat, both financial analysts and bloggers, that it will be a fall release for the next-generation iPhone.
For example, Barrons reports that Jefferies & Co.’s Peter Misek, who accurately called the iPhone 4S release last year, on Friday wrote to clients that the “iPhone 5,” will be “enormous,” but that production will start September for release in October.
eWeek’s Nathan Eddy reports that while Apple could use the WWDC as a platform to launch a new iPhone or refreshed MacBooks, the focus is more likely to be on software, according to Apple reseller and care specialist Michael Oh, quoted saying he expects any hardware news at WWDC to be relatively minor, with a bigger focus on operating systems and software development (which of course is the annual conference’s nominal focus).
Of course given Apple’s obsession with secrecy, even expert opinion is largely guesswork as to the timing of Apple product announcements. Certainly non-expert me can’t discern much likelihood of a new iPhone announcement in June. Apple could fool us (not for the first time), but I don’t think they will.
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April 30th, 2012 at 4:48 am
This is what I think:
Summer 2007- iPhone release
Summer 2008- iPhone 3G release
Summer 2009- iPhone 3GS release
Summer 2010- iPhone 4 release
Fall 2011- iPhone 4 release
Wait…does something look wrong here?
Fall 2011? Seems a bit out of place if you ask me…
And you if you agree, you’d be right. It is out of place. It doesn’t fit with what Apple had done for 4 years in a row.
So why would they chose to do this?
Answer: They didn’t.
Apple didn’t intentionally release in Fall 2011. From what I remember reading on this news blog is that the iPhone was ONLY released in the Fall due to an overheating issue in the new chip, which caused an unexpected delay in the iPhone 4S release, which pushed it back so far that it ended up having to be a Fall release.
Apple is offtrack by mistake, not by choice.
And why would they want to stick to their mistakenly late release date like last year?
If anyone thinks that it’s because of the iPod sales VS iPhone sales, then you’re wrong.
In 2009 Apple sold about 34,000,000 more iPods than iPhones.
In 2010 Apple sold about 10,500,000 more iPods than iPhones.
So obviously iPods were by far outselling iPhones with their Fall release date.
But WAIT, iPhones finally outsold iPods in 2011 right?? Well get this…
1) release date was altered, resulting in Non-testable results. The Constants cannot be changed in an accurate test, which would be the release dates.
2) by the time 2011 came, 278.5 MILLION iPods had been sold total. While iPhone’s were only at 73.7 Million units sold.
So what does this mean?
There are FAR more people who already have working iPods, than working iPhones, so there are far LESS people looking to purchase a new iPod. YET iPod sales STILL were higher than the iPhone sales?
As of 2010 sales and earlier:
iPods units sold: 278,540,000
iPhones units sold: 73,734,100
This is the point. I have friends in college with me that still use their iPod nanos that they purchased back when I was in middle school. And now I’m an adult. So if 278 Million iPod units were sold by 2010, how many people STILL are looking to buy the iPod? Not that many. BUT out of all those users, how many DONT have iPhones? …..A LOT OF PEOPLE LOL. So theoretically there would be FAR more people looking to buy an iPhone than an iPod based on total sales up to 2010.
Yet…conclusion is that the iPod still sold more.
So my point is, if iPod was still succeeding far beyond the iPhone, why would they want to change the release date?
Obviously as of 2010 the iPod was succeeding at where it was at.
In 2011 iPhone finally passed iPod in yearly fiscal sales, but you can’t accurately compare that year to 2010 because the constants were changed. You can’t change constants in an accurate test. Which would be the release dates.
SUMMING IT UP:
Given that
1) The iPhone was only delayed to Fall 2011 because of an overheating issue
2) In 2010 iPod was STILL dominating iPhone sales
Apple didn’t want for Fall 2011 to be the new release, and I don’t think they plan on keeping it that way.
I could be wrong, but it was my turn to gather data and analyze it, just as everyone else did, and that was my conclusion.
It was all a mistake, and I believe they will get back on track this year 2012.
After all, while developers were ONLY working on a heating issue in 2011, the other half of the team was already working on the next iPhone (iPhone 5), meaning that the OTHER half of the team was still on track for the June 2012 release date. The only people who were behind would be the chip designers. So, are they back on track or not? That is the question O.o
NOTE: I wrote too much to go back and review over, I’m tired lol. If I made a typo or repeated myself in any paragraphs then its because my brain is fried right now and I’m exhausted ready to go to sleep
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April 30th, 2012 at 4:55 am
I just want to add 1 more note-
When I said
“As of 2010 sales and earlier:
iPods units sold: 278,540,000
iPhones units sold: 73,734,100″
Those were totals. Overall units sold for every single year up to 2010.
They were NOT only the 2010 sales, they were all of the sales up to that year.
Just want to make that clear before someone nerd rages on me b/c of confusion
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April 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Lol @GetSwole, I hope your right. I’m just hoping it is at WWDC, if not I guess a ugly little Android will be floating in my hand with some upgrades.
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April 30th, 2012 at 7:53 am
@GetSwole I thought the real reason the 4S was delayed was because of contractual agreements with Verizon???
Anyway, I’m another person that thinks WWDC will see the next iPhone model launched. None of my reasons are based on fiscal projections of marketing strategies, but more like a hunch (which we all know from cop movies are the best things to go on
).
One thing that everyone is in agreement with is that this iPhone needs to be something special. There are lots of highly featured rival phones that are in the pipe line, so this needs to compete. This product needs to be something big and bold to show that Tim Cook can be in-charge and Apple still produce a new mind-blowing product. Finally, this was reported to be one of the last projects that Steve Jobs was hands-on with before his passing (not the 4S), so hopefully some of Steve’s magic will be in the next iPhone.
Now my theory is that if the next iPhone is going to be so special, Apple will want to unveil it at a major event, not at a little private press gathering at the Apple campus. Cupertino is fine for refreshes (which is all that Tim Cook has released so far), but for a product as good as what everyone believed the next iPhone needs to be, it has to be launched in style, and WWDC would be such an event. Such important news gets shouted from the rooftops, not discussed at a family gathering.
Also Charles, I see what you’re saying about traditional iPhone release period being just before people go on summer holidays. But, I don’t see how this would hinder iPhone sales. It seems likely that the next iPhone may have an improved camera, which would be a good sales pitch for taking the new phone on holiday to take better photos?
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April 30th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray, it might come true
Baby, then there wouldn’t be a single thing we couldn’t do
We could be married
And then we’d be happy
Wouldn’t it be nice?
You know, it seems the more we talk about it
It only makes it worse to live without it
But let’s talk about it
Wouldn’t it be nice?
This article made me think of this song. Wouldn’t it be nice of it was released during WWDC? Beach boys.
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April 30th, 2012 at 10:28 am
@GetSwole,
THAT WAS AWESOME!
I do hope you’re right, and we have something to look forward to in a month and a half!
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April 30th, 2012 at 11:07 am
@getswole
There is a problem with your data about iPods outselling iPhones. You said in your second comment that those numbers were totals of how many were sold every single year to 2010. The thing you are leaving out is that fact that ipods came out in 2001 but iPhones came out in 2007. That means the iPod numbers were for 9 years where as the iPhone numbers where for 3 years. Big difference there. Another thing that I believe is that the iPhone market didn’t really start getting record sales until the release of the iPhone 4.
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April 30th, 2012 at 11:22 am
@Undfeatable: great Beach Boys quote. I love Pet Sounds. And the new “Smile” has totally blown me away! Do you have it?
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April 30th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
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April 30th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
@Michael, I don’t know the names to really any songs. Not even the stuff I like… except Skrillex.
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April 30th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
I don’t think Apple cares one bit about launching a product for “the Holidays.” Think about the iPad, iPad 2, and The New iPad. They were after the holidays. Releasing something for people to buy as gifts when Apple can’t produce enough products for the demand would just be, well…STUPID.
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April 30th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
One more reason that the iPhone 4S could have come out late is due to the late release of the white iPhone 4. Many contracs will be ending this June and Apple would be dumb to make people wait until fall for the iPhone 5.
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April 30th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
@Michael I think it would be a really good idea if you did a article to counter this one. ‘Why I think we’ll see a iPhone 5 at WWDC’ for example. And it’ll help me feel better because I want a June release.
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April 30th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@Rsonn you just Further proved my point. IPods had been out a lot longer than iPhones
& that’s not a problem, that’s supporting my statements lol
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April 30th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Hmmm … I was hoping that something could be gleaned from Apple’s recent financial projections for Q3. Even though they soundly beat Wall St estimates for Q2, their Q3 projections are lower than the Street’s which would appear to indicate anticipated slowing sales this quarter … possibly because 4S is nearing the end of it’s product life cycle.
Apple’s Q3 runs from April to June and a June iPhone 5 release would result in a huge spike in sales so you could surmise no June release for iPhone 5. Apple has previously announced new iPhone models anywhere from 10 days to one month before release. Obviously a June announcement would slow 4S sales … so perhaps we are looking at a June 15th announcement and early July release. That’s my glass half full assessment.
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April 30th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
BTW Charles, this is a great article even though I really hope the iPhone 5 does come out at the WWDC.
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April 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
@practically everyone, Charles wrote this not Nace. Nace is with us on the WWDC release while Charles is against it.
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April 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I wish I would have spent my $300 on liquid metal (LQMT.OB) today! Rumors of the iPhone 5 cause the stock to jump up like 10 cents! May not seem like much, but considering the stock on Friday was .375, and now it’s .475 (at the time of this article), that a major leak. Many believe the iPhone 5 will have liquid metal as part of its design!
Disclosure: I have no stocks in the for mentioned company(ies) but may buy in the next 72 hours.
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April 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Lol Michael, when i posted that portion of the song, I was half asleep! I was just thinking of a song to put our apple issues to, and for some reason, i decided to look up Wouldn’t it be nice! I didn’t even know it had lines like “You know it seems the more we talk about it. It only makes it worse to live without it but lets talk about it.”! That so cool! I’m thinking about making a video with this song using a bunch of clips. It would just be like two lines and all about the iPhone 5! What do y’all think?
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April 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I only wish I had a very skeptical-looking picture of Charles Moore to embed in this article. Like, Charles sporting a moue.
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April 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
@Braden — But we should also remember that Mr. Moore was hauntingly right about the iPhone last year. He was reporting on the likelihood of the iPhone 4S while I was laughing at that rumor in its face. I didn’t come around until the Blog’s Asian-based source was like, “No, Mike, seriously: it’s only going to be a refresh.”
That being said, I still represent the June Phone 5 release camp. I received a reliable tip — the first reliable one since November — from a new, credible source who says that something big is coming to the WWDC. Still working on getting some more information about it before I write anything. Maybe will have something for tomorrow.
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April 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
I thought of a good song for us for WWDC:
Juuuuuun, june june june
Juuuuuun, june june june
When I want you in my palm
When I want you and all your apps
Whenever I want you, all I have to do is
Drea-ea-ea-ea-eam of june june june
To the tune of he Every Brothers’ ‘All I have to Do is Dream’
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April 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m24uUzJgfwQ
Not as good as the Beach Boys lyrics from Undefeatble but hey, I’m a nerd not a poet hahaha (and a verteran reader/commenter)
Yours,
Veteran Reader/Commenter SpasticPat
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April 30th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
All wishful thinking. It is a fall release for sure, they are selling the heck out of the 4S, why announce anything else?
If I wait that long, I will take a hard look at the Galaxy S3. Read a rumor that the Galaxy S3 might be released with Windows Phone 8 in the fall. That combo might not be an iPhone killer, but it could be a sexy runner up.
I can’t fathom ever buying an Android, as much as I want to not wait any longer, I just can’t do it.
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April 30th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
It is not a good marketing strategy to keep a basically 3G phone on the market to compete with legitimate 4G competitors until the fall when you have the capability of producing a competitive product much earlier. The iPhone 4S is a patch; I look to see the “fix” in June.
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April 30th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
What George said!
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April 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Hey michael, you should have it so your name is highlighted with like a star or something. And maybe give people that have over 150 legitement comments something too… right spastic
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April 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
If you’re Apple and you have the iPhone 5, as well as a new iTV/iPanel to debut during the year, you wouldnt want both debut at the same time because one will steal the press spotlight away from the other.
That said, which one do you pick to release closer to the Christmas holiday shopping season?
My vote would be on the iTV/iPanel, leaving the iPhone for a June debut. …or at least I hope so.
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April 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
That’s right Undfeatable, those of us…veteran members lol
with a crown for Michael, king of the newsblog’s
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April 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
SpasticPat: you are one comment away from 200 comments.
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April 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
@undfeatable: A talented webmaster I am not. I am at the mercy of pre-made WordPress plug-ins, some of which are good, and some aren’t. I would love to have more robust profile system, but I just don’t know how to implement it. What’s nice is that, in spite of this blog’s limitations, you all continue to comment on it.
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May 1st, 2012 at 1:18 am
I also agree with a June/July release. There are just too many good 4g phones on/coming on the market and too many iPhone 4 owners with expiring contracts. Despite some of the inherent differences between iOs and Android users, the 4S really isn’t enough to them satisfied. Waiting would cause sales to come to a standstill because no iPhone 4 owner is going to throw away their upgrade but nor do they want to wait. Yes anticipation could grow but so could resentment Cook needs to produce something innovative and soon or else he risks being viewed as dropping the ball and that could send investors and users abandoning ship. October was a mistake, the June release was picked for a reason.
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May 1st, 2012 at 2:37 am
Spastic, you should save that 200th comment for something special, thumbs down this so i know its you.
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May 1st, 2012 at 3:12 am
@Undefeatable, I Disagree
I don’t think someone’s name should be highlighted or stood out what so ever just because they have a high amount of comments.
That will influence people to make pointless opinions JUST to get their numbers up, or even carry on pointless conversations.
I believe that 1 intelligent comment is more valuable than 20 unintelligent comments, so why should the unintelligent comments stand out more?
Therefor I’d propose that if anything is done to make any users stand out over another, it should be based on how many overall likes they get rather than overall comments.
Again, promoting overall comments will just influence people to give a LOT of very thoughtless opinions just to get their numbers higher, RATHER than actually thinking of an intelligent response that everyone agrees with.
So making a user stand out because of a high number of lifetime likes on their comments is a lot better of a proposal in my opinion.
It’ll promote better responses, while the other option won’t
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May 1st, 2012 at 3:52 am
Spasticpat is a legend! I think I had my first debate on here with him about when the white iphone 4 was coming out…either him or JustinQ.. One of them made the comment in reference to the Ford model T “you may paint it whatever color you like so long as it is black”..
…Haha good times, good times.
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May 1st, 2012 at 7:34 am
One thing about the 4S, it’s not like it’ll just stop when the 5 comes out, It’ll just have 8GB of memory and take up the 4′s price point. So I don’t think that stopping the 4S as the premiere iPhone would be a major concern for Apple. Hell, if I had to delay the release of a device (for whatever reason, contractual or issues), what I’d do is release a re-fresh and have a planned shorter production life to get everything back on track the following year.
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May 1st, 2012 at 7:57 am
http://5iphone.be/zelfs-investeerders-speculeren-over-komst-iphone-5/#more-154
I think the iphone on the photo could be the new iphone?
The article itself isn’t that interesting but it says that Brian White thinks they
are going to release the Iphone 5 in the fall.
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May 1st, 2012 at 8:34 am
Hi folks,
For the record, I’m not “against” a June iPhone 5 release. I’m just pretty much convinced it’s not going to happen. But what do I know?
The references to “Wouldn’t It Be Nice” and “Dream” are brilliant. I’m old enough to remember when both tunes first hit the charts, so have been listening to them for nearly half a century.
Charles W. Moore
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May 1st, 2012 at 9:23 am
@Get swole, what a great idea…. too bad no one here really knows website programming…
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May 1st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
I agree with Charles, I am definitely not against a June release either, I actually really really really really really hope it happens. I am simply choosing not to get my hopes up, because we really don’t know for sure, and Apple has already proven itself capable of stiff arming all of us consumers and keeping us begging.
Putting out the new iPhone is an ENORMOUS operation, so many moving parts that we can’t even imagine. So its release date at this point is pretty well known by the powers that be. Apple will not suspend its release date on purpose, or accelerate it at all. The date is the date, and it ain’t moving.
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May 1st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
If iPhone 5 parts start to leak this month then we will know for sure that the iPhone 5 will come out in June.
If this is truly “the week we’ve all been waiting for” as Apple says, then they should release the iPhone 5.
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May 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
yeah, “The week we’ve all been waiting for” sure as HELL aint for no iTV, gimme my damn phone<3 thanks
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May 1st, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The week we’ve all been waiting for…
Possibilities:
iPhone 5
iTV
Mountain Lion
Mini iPad
New MacBook Pro
New Macs
Cheaper songs on iTunes store
It’s all a matter of perspective. I know we’re all pro-iPhone 5, but there are others that want different things.
It’ll (like always) be crystal clear what they’re talking about on June 16th.
Here’s hoping for “One more thing…”
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May 1st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
This is whats going to happen…
They don’t announce the iPhone 5.
At the end they say “One more thing…We wanted to jump ahead of our generation, and destroy the entire world for years to come. Here’s the iPhone 8, projecting real 3D images, watch your movies on a projected 70 inch retina holographic HDTV. Dont ask Siri a question, think it, and she will implant the answer in your mind. Want to go to London for free? iPhone 8 will teleport you there free of charge. New 2nd generation LTE with Data speeds up to 4 time as fast as previous LTE. New A9 chip is now 20.2 GHz with 12 core CPU/GPU. Now taking requests for anything that you could possibly want in the iPhone. We will make it, just ask. The cost you ask? Who cares, its the next iPhone”
Its going to be the week we’ve all been waiting for
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May 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
I think that if we did implement a system rating based on likes it should be total comments/ Total likes. To give an average rating. BTW I’m hoping not only for the july iPhone but also that it will meet or surpass our expectations.
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May 1st, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Brian,
Lets think about this…
Say the Super Bowl is coming up. Do you really care if some 10 year old has the exact same 55 inch flat screen TV as you?
Are you going to throw away your TV and get a bigger one just because some 10 year old has the same one?
If you were 60 years old driving a Lamborghini and then met a 20 year old with the same car, would you sell yours and buy a more expensive one? Does it bother you that someone else has your toy?
It sounds like you don’t want to share your toys with who you view as inferior.
It sounds like you like to feel materialistically superior to other humans on this planet, creating unequal views upon someone else because of their age.
To answer your question,
No you’re not the only one; there are others like you out there.
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May 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
@Brian cuz the 12yr olds know whats good.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 am
Any timeframe on when you’ll release the new info you got yesterday?
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May 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 am
“Has anybody realized that everybody and their mom now has the iphone? I dont know about you guys, but i’d like to be different or have something exclusive.”
@Brian – Jailbreak your iPhone(s), as I have always done. This will give you the exclusivity that one desires.
As a bonus, your iPhones becomes so much more because it’s many added options/features than in its previously LOCKED-DOWN state.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 5:15 am
That’s so not true! You know there are plenty of 10 year old kids with jailbroken iPhones
Brian, if it bothers you that much… don’t use a phone, I mean everyone has a phone right, so common. Thinking about it, you may want to stop wearing shoes too as most people wear shoes on their feet.. Thinking about it even more, try not to breathe too much as everyone breathes air, and you don’t want to be like everyone else.
To be honest, you just sound like some superficial 90210 spoilt brat. Use an iPhone because it’s the best phone, not to be part of some stupid “exclusive” club. Pathetic!
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May 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 am
Lol, the comments on this blog are becoming a little wild… Also, @Michael I know, I just hope Charles isn’t right cause if he is then I’m not sure on what to do.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 am
@braden yeah, I might, um, have caused this blog to go into a comment revolution….I blame spastic! (It’s funny cause he can’t talk!)
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May 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 am
@Darren – Yes, myself as well as many 10 years old children have jailbroken iPhones, but that number is definitely dwarfed by the vast majority iPhones that are kept in their original locked down state. From this perspective, it’s so true that a jailbroken iPhone is closer being exclusive,than otherwise imo.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 am
Do you think we will ever see iOS appear in a ‘jail broken’ form on a Samsung phone ala Hackintosh?
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May 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 am
China just got the iPhone 3 months ago or so. As one of the largest possible markets for the phone, I think a summer release might leave a bad taste for consumers there.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
No idea, though you can run Lion, Windows 7, HTC and many other interfaces on a jailbroken iPhone.
@genXhippie true. They just don’t know what they’re missing out on or are worried about the false “it’s illegal” stigma. I mean who really wants folders and photo albums working properly anyway, or to arrange icons how they want to
to name just 3 advantages (FolderEnhancer, PhotoAlbums+, and Gridlock)
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May 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
You are using examples that favor your point of view. I will go back to just reading Michael’s posts instead of commenting…
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May 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
Whoa, @Brian. Go easy there with the personal attacks [I deleted them]. We love heated arguments here on the blog, but please don’t drop the f-bomb and personal attacks because, in the end, this blog has a kind of nice vibe to it. And I know that you know that — you’ve set down a lot of good comments. And speaking for myself, *I* want you to keep commenting.
I’m guessing that you feel like some folks are circling the wagons around you, based on the comments going on here, and that’s never a good feeling. But let’s not escalate things. It just isn’t worth it.
Folks, let’s keep it light. We are, after all, talking about fun stuff here.
Thanks!
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May 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
@Brian,
I do know how you feel (I missed the comment that Michael deleted… oh well) about being the one with the unique, and usually the best item. Given that, and I know that Apple with the iPhone, you’re not going to get the newest one until everyone else has a chance to get it, unless you’re under the Apple NDA from heck.
What I think is happening is that the smartphone is mainstreaming, and the next big thing (as GetSwole put it, the iPhone 8 – sounds pretty cool, except the implanting in my mind. I still reserve my mind as my own.) so we’re only seeing incremental improvements to it. I thought Dr. Piepenbrock’s Red-Blue development (with blue being revolutionary improvements, and Red being incremental http://lgosdm.mit.edu/VCSS/web_seminars/docs/piepenbrock_061110.pdf Yes, Micheal, I’m bringing MIT into iPhone5newsblog) we’re in the incremental stage, kind of like, in 1984, “everybody” had a touch tone phone.
So, may I suggest, if you want to be the one on the block with the newest thing (and it’s a slope that will always have people joining you, kind of like the person that moves to a town because of it’s sparse population, only to be joined by 200,000 other people that want that as well), when the iTV (or whatever it’s called) comes, that will be the next cool thing.
Lastly, please understand that I am not disparaging you on this. If it weren’t for the bleeding edgers, the rest of us wouldn’t have the neat things in life, and we’d still be using those touch tone phones.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
I think it is pretty definite that the new iPhone won’t come out until the fall.
I also very much agree with this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-gilbert/what-apples-huge-quarter-means-for-iphone-5_b_1450605.html?ref=iphone-5
It’s all about the money. Anybody who disagrees doesn’t understand business or the intense pressure that businesses have from shareholders and wall street….especially since Apple’s stock is the most owned stock in many mutual funds and is 20% of the weighting in the NASDAQ.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@Mike D.
What if it was about building a quality product, releasing it when it was ready, and letting consumers fund the coffers?
Looking at the comments, there are a bunch of reasons pro and con June release:
Pro:
We want it.
Con:
They’re already making enough money, and releasing it now would cut into the 4S’ profit stream, essentially killing the 4S in the most profitable part of the life cycle of the 4S.
The Chinese would be mad, since they just released the 4S there.
The Americans would be mad, since the 4S was released in October.
The stockholders would be mad
As a stockholder in Apple, I have a different view of this: They’re making money hand over fist, and whatever the powers that be at the company are doing, I say let them.
This goes back to what Michael is doing, and it looks to be what Apple is doing: Do what you love, and you’ll make money at it. (as long as what you love is what others want.)
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May 2nd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
@Jeff are you KIDDING me?!
I can’t believe for the “PRO” all you said was “We want it”.
Go back and read the very 1st comment.
The ONLY info i provided in the 1st comment was info that i hadn’t already stated in previous articles comment section.
If you go back and read other articles comments, there’s TONS of more info I have laid out supporting June release, that I didn’t re-lay out in this comment section.
I just don’t like to repeat myself all the time.
There’s SOOOO Much more towards June release than JUST the 1st comment on this article,
and the fact that your “pro” section was worthless, means your entire rant was as well. You didn’t analyze anything man. I hate when people come out and try and say which direction is right, but they didn’t even look in the 1st place.
You can’t tell us where Apple is going without even looking, and obviously you’re blind folded right now, imagining which way is the right path, and then preaching about it and making up stories about disturbing the peace in China.
Give me a break
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May 2nd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
@GetSwole,
Yep, I am kidding you.
While you may not appreciate what I wrote, that doesn’t negate the whole comment. That’s an argumentative fallacy.
Anyhow, to support my “Pro” section, look at posts:
2, 4, 5, 6, 14, 15, 18, 24, 26, 30, 34, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
Con:
9, 10, 13, 39, 40, 63
Neither (not meant to condemn these posts, just can’t figure out whether they’re pro/con):
12, 16, 17, 19, 20, 27, 28, 31, 32, 33, 35, 47, 51, 57, 59
How the names should be highlighted:
37, 41, 48, 55
and finally, those chastising others:
49, 50, 52, 53, 54, 56, 60, 61, 62
Regarding your statements:
“and the fact that your “pro” section was worthless” – that’s an opinion, not a fact. Come to think of it, it’s an opinion of an opinion.
“You didn’t analyze anything man.” – while you may disagree with my analysis, a better approach may be to ask how I analyzed something, rather than the apparent casting of doubt.
“I hate when people come out and try and say which direction is right, but they didn’t even look in the 1st place.” – again, making assumptions. I enjoyed your data analysis on post #1, and I appreciate how you use facts and data to support your conclusion. I’d appreciate if you did the same here, and not use assumptions to drive your conclusion.
“You can’t tell us where Apple is going without even looking, and obviously you’re blind folded right now, imagining which way is the right path, and then preaching about it and making up stories about disturbing the peace in China.” – Indeed, sometimes you cannot tell where Apple is going BY LOOKING. I mean, this time last year, we were all confident that the new iPhone 5 would be out in 6 weeks, and we’d all be doing the post mortem on the predictions, and Micheal’s iPhone6newsblog would be the place where we’d all be hanging out. Didn’t work out that way. As for the China thing, I was making an observation based on post #58 (I did make a mistake on the 4S/3 thing… oops!).
Not to be a stick in the mud, but you might want to check your emotions before you post. We’re all spouting opinions here, and getting all (making an assumption) wee-wee’d up because someone disagrees with you on something you nave no control over isn’t a good thing.
In the end, if the iPhone comes out in June, and you win the argument, what then? Do you get a place in line ahead of me? And if I’m right, do I get a place in line ahead of you this fall?
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May 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Now that I’ve lurked enough, I’ll put my 2 cents (if thats what it’s even worth) in…
I don’t know what Apple’s going to do. There certainly are a ton of rumors to support a Summer release, but at the same time, there were a ton of rumors for last year’s ‘summer release.’ I enjoy reading others’ opinions. I feel that Apple should release the iPhone5 in June but at the same time, after last year, I’m taking ALL rumors with a grain of salt. Charles seems to feel that we won’t see one at WWDC and that’s fine, that’s his opinion and his analysis and I thank him for contributing and being a part of this iPhone5news blog. I am hoping for a June release, but if that doesn’t happen, I’m not walking the plank and using my upgrade for Android. If you want to go that way, that’s great, we all have our own tastes. I for one, and maybe it’s because I have OCD (I think), love iOS. I don’t care if it isn’t open source (before being jailbroken). I think what I love about it is how uniform and organized it is and how everything seems to just flow. I think that since it hasn’t changed a ton since the beginning, that might be what I like too, it’s consistent and I’m used to it. We all have our reasons for why we choose the OS that we do and it’s great that we have this blog set up for this discussion.
It takes all of our ideas/thoughts/opinions to make this blog into what it’s become. While some of us disagree with others and some of us agree completely with what someone else has to say, in the end, this is what makes blogging great. People from different backgrounds and opinions, coming together to contribute to the community. Sorry this is kind of a rant, I had an idea of what I was going to say and kind of lost track of it midway through.
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May 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
@SpasticPat:
Well said!
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May 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm
@Jeff,
I really don’t care anymore actually,
I requested that Michael delete my comment number 65 and He obviously refused to respect my request.
In fact, he deleted my request. Which acts like I never requested anything at all because you can’t see it.
I requested that it be deleted because I knew I was getting worked up and once I realized that, i decided to not care about it anymore. I requested that the comment be deleted so that you WOULDNT create a long response that ended up being pointless (b/c of the fact that i didnt care to carry on a debate, when i started it wrong in the 1st place).
Yeah i made many opinions in my statements and was wrong in most all of what I said toward you just because I was upset. Which is why continuing a debate would be pointless because it started on the wrong foot.
There would be No debate worth debating between us two without keeping it objective, and I didn’t keep it objective.
Anyway, I’d like to go ahead and THANK Michael not respecting my requests what so ever. Professionalism at its best
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May 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
@GetSwole
Like I put in #6, that was great work you did, and for what it’s worth, I don’t have any bad feelings towards you. I think I wasn’t at my best for my post either.
I do appreciate you being the bigger person and putting down what you did towards me, and I’m sorry for reacting as well.
How about a deal… no harm, no foul, and on to the next post!
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May 3rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
@Jeff
Apple has great customer service which creates loyalty and pleased customers. However, Apple is definitely the company that likes to tell their costumers what they want and how to do it. So naturally the “when” falls right in place. They’ll release a product when they are ready, not when the consumer is ready. That’s one of the things that everybody loves and hates about Apple. Apple could have done something amazing with the last iPhone rather than just doing a refresh of the iphone 4.
There isn’t any business that would say let’s go ahead and release this product right now even though we could hold off for a few months and let the anticipation build and reap billions of dollars in the meanwhile. I believe that if Apple releases the I5 soon it will be due to strategy (i.e. keeping up with competition) and not just because everybody wants it right now.
Who’s to say that Apple won’t make the fall their new “scheduled” release time for the iphone? They made everyone wait until fall last year, and if they wait this year then most people will be on a schedule of getting their new iphone in the fall rather than the summer. More importantly, I don’t think it would make sense from a marketing stand point to release the iPhone to new carriers in new markets and countries where there was pent up demand, and then just a few months later give them a brand new model. Again, they’ll wait until they’ve maximized their profits from the 4S before they release the 5 (in my opinion).
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